i admit i'm obsessive about counting calories and monitoring the calories from fat. i am mindful of what's going in my body and meticulous about what constitutes portion size. (e.g., if it says "half cup" then that's what i measure, and that's what i eat.)
i definitely think it's less destructive to myself to eat that way. we grew up in a society that taught us to "clean our plates." but the portion sizes that we are trained to clean up, especially in restaurants, are mind-bogglingly out of control.
that doesn't mean i'm always good about it and i never overindulge. but it's so much easier to stop eating and realize, "okay. i've had enough now."
I overspend, Mellies.
aaand? I probably over-exercise when I'm feeling particularly obsessive.
because i physically ~can't~ eat an entire pan of brownies, it doesn't stop me from wanting to, or trying, on occasion. Sometimes there's frustrated tears when I realize its not something I can do anymore.
oh, and the smoking thing? that too. There's a nasty little bit of entitlement-thinking that goes on in my brain when I think about giving it up. "Well... I can't EAT WHAT I WANT, and now I'm so frickin' healthy... I deserve a little vice."
"I overspend, Mellies."
This is what I was thinking about. How we think we're getting healthier but really we're just getting distracted. I'm hearing stories about incredibly self-destructive behavior people are engaging in, I'm thinking about how I will run with a huge knee brace on instead of taking a day off because I'm terrified of what I'll do if I'm not exercising.
Do you suppose we get better? I wasn't really looking for ideas on what to do instead of eating, I have plenty of ideas, I was looking for how people are dealing with their obsessions. Judy's answer above shows that she's obsessing about other things but it looks like hers are healthier obsessions and so easier to live with. But then Russ looks like he's actually healthier in mind. I worry about us.
oh yeah... i know I've gotten better. It evens out over time... i know that meditation and yoga have helped calm down a lot of the inner demons that contributed to my overeating. The less meditation I get, the less in control I feel, so there's a cycle that I need to keep an eye on too. Exercise helps quiet down my brain, so the intensity of my workouts tends to mirror how stressed out I am in other facets. Right now? Im pretty blissful and everything is calm, so Im a little more slack in the gym time than normal. Throw a wrench into the works? and I'll be doing the 15 hours a week in the gym again.
there is a middle ground, but I don't think anyone finds it right away. You have to feel your way along for a while and know there will be lapses and relapses and mistakes. Just keep going, ya know?
You have to feel your way along for a while and know there will be lapses and relapses and mistakes. Just keep going, ya know?
I know, I'm not really worried about me. I just really wanted to put something up as a thought starter. I know how easy it is to think that just because you're not eating the brownies means you're better. So.. this is nice for me and nice for others because it gives a bit of perspective. As if to say "Ok... what's filling that blank?" Because ideally the goal is to get rid of the blank.
Hi. I love you.
my big thing is portion control, something I am still struggling with ... though I did not go through surgery like some of our friends have, I did go from a high near 250 pounds to my current 205 ... and I am healthier for it, and need to get down a bit more in conjunction with getting more fit
my substitute has been more futzing around the house (though my basement now looks like a mess, and worse than it was, there IS a method to my madness ... so the mess is a transitional mess) ... cleaning things, doing minor repairs ... trying to a Mr. Toolman without creating more problems
a secondary substitute has been a big change on my football Sundays ... before, I would watch football, do laundry, and have a non-stop buffet to graze upon from around noon until around 9:00pm ... now, I have an actual meal, and limit snacking, substituting water ... and, instead of being camped on the couch like a slug unless changing laundry loads, I hit my heavy bag for 3 minute rounds off and on throughout the day (if my Bears are on, and they are sucking, my work on the heavy bag is more frequent and more intense as I imagine our quarterback's face as my punching target)
oh yeah! water is a big thing for me, too. faireraven
got me started on that. i try and carry water bottles or have a glass of water on hand all the time. i drink that as opposed to sodas or juice. it also helps curb the snacking and water is good for you. a lot of times people eat when really, they are just thirsty.
i absolutely can't give up milk though. i still drink a glass at dinner every night.
mellies, my answer got to be verrrrry long and a bit off topic, so it is over at mine lj (flocked).
Cee, thank you for that. I'm going to make a very very wee filter for further thoughts I have on this subject. I may put you on it. You tell me if you want off. And at some point, there should be further hugs.
i would like that, plis to include.
Fits and spurts of obsessive measuring and portion control, and then tapering off to a calmer attitude about it. Vertigo killed my desire to do Pilates for a long time—I didn't want to even think about what some of the poses would do to me—but that desire's returned, and so, I hope, will the rest of the mindset. I'm already an obsessive list-maker; I just try to make that obsession work for me instead of against me. :/
Strangely, TV and LJ. TV motivates me to keep up with the exercising, and LJ decreases my loneliness (one day I will move to a city, so I can have kindred spirits nearby).
Water. And people. And medicational futzing.
I've replaced snacking (mostly) with drinking water, especially at work. I mean, if there's a big basket o' foods sitting out, I'll have a little sliver of the thing I want most, and then have a bottle of water.
I've been seeing PEOPLE more than ever before. New people, old friends, calling my mom, all of that. People keep me from eating.
And fucking with my BC to figure out how the hormones work is kind of fun. :D
Wow, I'm so glad you brought this up. So few people actually think about this. But, for me, the weight (all 120 pounds of it) was not realy all about the food. It was the obsession with food, weight, and diets that was killer. I simply didn't have any means of dealing with life, and instead obsessed about food. Loosing the weight didn't remove the obesession, and actually brought other issues with it.
As for, what I've replaced that obession with... mostly it's been a hell of a lot of recovery work and spiritual growth. Oh, and knitting... can't forget the knitting ;) Of course, now I'm taking a quilting class... we'll see where that goes.
But really, the obsession has been lifted, and I'm free to live life. For that, I am incredibly grateful. I'm always happy to chat more about what I was like, what I'm like now, and what changed.
Hugs to you!
When I'm doing well, I obsess about planning (meals).
I think on some level gaming has substituted.
Certainly for a while, buying stuff was bad.
Drinking too much, which makes me not so much with the losing.
I almost wish I could get obsessive about exercise for a few months.
So no, not healthy. (And not losing right now, which is making me frustrated, but not frustrated enough to do what I know I need to....)
So much similarity.
Vacation (or getting off routine) in all its various forms was not good to us (me).
I am up from my low of 202 to ~212, down from post pennsic 217.
We both have some issues with overspending (we aren't piling up debt). I have probably have issues with overexercising, although it hasn't seemed detrimental thus far. I still (or recently) have found myself overeating.
There is/was a sense of entitlement, that having lost weight and being more healthy justified whatever. This combined with any hobby where you can spend money (say running and running clothes), has been known to eat all the way through our discretionary income for a month. Getting more exercise also meant I could eat more (on track this was a well portioned late night sandwich).
This last week I found myself eating way to much chili for dinner. Having huge bowls of cereal for breakfast (that has been for a while (and huge is two servings)) but not having late night snacks and not doing as well with more smaller meals/snacks.
I am obsessing about endurance exercise and strength training. I am currently thinking that a <04:00:00 marathon or a century in <06:00:00 sound like great goals (having never run more than 6.5 miles, and never ridden a century in less than 10:00:00)
Add that to not actually getting a lot of exercise since we got back from china and it isn't going well (still flat on weight but I am likely losing muscle mass).
EDIT: and it has been a BAD week for candy
Edited at 2007-11-08 11:51 pm (UTC)